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the best story ever. those two people saw him as a human, instead of another statistic, and homeless person. >> they went out of their way. >> that is a great, great story. thanks chris. it's time for "newsroom" for poppy harlow in for carol costello. >> that is my favorite part of the show "the good stuff." >> the "newsroom" starts right now. happening now in the "newsroom," tense moments in the streets. streets in baltimore compared to a lynch mob by the police union. they want to know how did freddy gray die in police custody. another embarrassment for the secret service. does it take 14 months to fix the alarm system at the home of a former president? and then this --
>> i was holding on to my bible. >> turbulence so bad. why a flight had to learn in boston after an international trip. let's talk live in the "newsroom." good morning, everyone. i am poppy harlow in today for carol costello. it's 9:00 here on the east coast. good morning, and we begin with a city on edge. baltimore bracing for more protests in the angry demand for answers. protesters calling for transparency in the death of freddy gray a 25-year-old man detained under murky circumstances and suffering a fatal spinal cord injury before
arriving at the jail and new cell phone adding new questions. this shows the police van stopped less than a block away from where gray was arrested and it may be the last time he was seen before the fatal injury. suzanne malveaux joins me this morning with the latest. what do we know at this point, suzanne? >> reporter: the protests have grown day by day, and we expect a rally where freddy gray was first apprehended, and then at 3:00 we expect thousands of people to be here outside city hall, the pastor as well as the mother and stepfather of freddy gray all of them asking the question of what happened to that young man just a week ago. protests continuing into the night in baltimore.
after another tense standoff with police. hundreds of protesters demanding answers in the death of freddy gray. people frustrated filling the streets, blocking traffic. some even laying down in the middle of the intersections. this as new video shows gray minutes after his initial arrest the last time he was seen publicly and alive. the video shows gray not moving laying half in and half out of the police van. this is when police say they shackled his ankles. >> he was not responding. his head was down and his feet was like this. they picked him up and threw him up in the paddy wagon. >> what happened to the 25-year-old when he was placed back in that van remains a mystery? >> something happened in that van, and we just don't know what. >> an attorney for the police
union tried to answer questions yesterday despite calls from protesters demanding the arrest of the six police officers involved. the >> you do not need probable cause to arrest you just need reasonable suspicion to make the stop and that's what we had in this case. >> cnn has been told the body will be released from state custody soon and the family wants an independent autopsy, and his relatives hoping for a second opinion on the cause of death. >> the most you can say about freddy gray's family is they are totally devastated. they tried to process the loss of their son, their brother, their friend. >> a baltimore mayor reached out to the family she wanted to meet with them to express condolences and support, and the
family declined and said now is not an appropriate time and their priority is to figure out arrangements to bury their son. >> they want to do the second independent autopsy before they have a chance to bury him, so it may be a while. while wednesday's protests were smaller, demonstrators were just as angry. on the ground the chaotic scene as the call for answers gets louder by the day. some of the most compelling images like this one, and it shows young children participating in the protests helping to block major intersections. and we have the host of the radio show "listen up" on radio station eaa is baltimore. thank you for being with me. i appreciate it. >> good morning, poppy. >> i want to read you a statement from the fraternal
order of police referring to some of the protests as quote, a lynch mob, saying the images look and sound like a lynch mob and they are calling for the immediate imprisonment of the officers and given the context around those words, though what is your reaction to hearing that? >> what they are saying right now in baltimore especially in west baltimore, we are seeing people that are tired of the contentious relationship between the police and their community, and i think it's not a lynch mob, and i think that type of language characterizes a group of us who are trying to make sure things on the ground is a way that is not going to be threatening to each other and other folks, but at the same time people are angry, and i think it's important that we understand that the anger, the raw emotion that you are seeing right now in baltimore is a result of a lack of justice, and
when there is an injustice there is going to cause an imbalance when it's in peoples' response or peoples' behavior but throughout this case there has not been any resolution and there has not been any justice, and most importantly, when there is an injustice, that's because there has not been any truth that has been shared with the community and the family about what happened to our brother, brother freddy gray. >> our affiliate there in baltimore had a chance to sit down with the police commissioner, and listen to what he said. >> rushing to judgment or skipping over evidence or cutting it short to just give an answer is not fair to that family and it's not fair to those police officers and it's not fair to the community as a whole. we have to have the community come together and calm our community. i have been in full scale riots multiple times and i have seen what cities look like after these things take place.
>> he is saying do not rush to judgment. are you at all concerned that anybody is rushing to judgment here? >> well i think that's always the concern because in the course of an emotional outcry like this we don't want to overlook the opportunity to have truth presented in this whole process, however, the rush to judgment is something that i think that needs to be really evaluated because this community in particular is considered to be what they call a high crime high drug activity community. but you still have people there, good people there, who live there and who have been part of the community for many many years, and so i think that in order for us not to rush to judgment let's hear all of the facts. there should be full tkeuzdisclosure from the time he got in the paddy wagon to the time he got to the police district and we are saying not to rush to
judgment and we should have a greater rush to make sure those facts are going to be made clear and public so people can have an understanding. right now everybody is in the dark. we don't know what happened. we don't know what actions the police took. we have a little bit of limited video footage, and at the end of the day need truth and justice to come from that truth. >> you have said you feel like the hands of the mayor and the police chief, their hands are tied. what do you mean by that? >> i said that because i know they have limited -- they only have limited powers in this issue. myself and many other young activist in the city of baltimore, from the time this whole process started back in january as we were dealing with the ferguson case we went down to the state capital of annapolis and we testified and lobbies along with many others many other community organizations, we lobbied to make sure there was police accountability and reform and bills, and do you know poppy,
when we went down there in spite of the great support we got and in spite of all the energy we brought, those 17 police accountability bills were dead on arrival. they went through the senate and went through the house of delegates, but at the same time they were tabled and not one of these 17 police accountability bills were moved by the maryland state legislature. so when we have the conversation about police reform transparency and i recognize a lot of the things that happen with police officers exist beyond a state level because of the fraternal order of police their policies and the law enforcement bill of rights but when the state decides it's not going to move further along on this issue, then what resolutions do you give to the people? how can we be justified to ask young people to be respectful of those in authority and in uniform when those in uniform don't show respect for us? >> i know you are talking about
this law enforcement officers bill of rates and the mayor of baltimore lobbied to change and make several revisions to, and has not been successful in that effort at this point. >> that's crazy. >> thank you for joining me. i appreciate it. one of the big questions that protesters want answers is what happened inside the transport van carrying gray. we were taken inside the police van like the one carrying gray that afternoon. >> there is a metal partition down the middle so we have the capability of separating prisoners if we want to, and once we take a prisoner inside the van, the van is equipped with ten seat belts all the way down so typically the prisoner would be handcuffed behind their back, and they would seat belt
the prisoner in the van for safety and we are always concerned with the safety of the prisoners we are transporting. the van is equipped with air-conditioning and heat and interior lighting so we can view what is taking place inside the van through the partition. >> and one thing we did not see, paul in that van are cameras. should there be cameras? >> there probably should be given what we have been seeing across the united states with police and prisoner interactions. it's like an epidemic of behavior that is very disturbing. we have to see what all the facts are in this case, and i think video cameras would help both sides. >> we have been hearing about this law enforcement officers' bill of rights and that's part of why, for example, we have not heard any statements from the police officers right? they have ten days before they have to say anything at all to a supervisor in a case like this.
what protection does it give to the officers and what walks that line between the public's right to know? >> they have negotiated contracts on behalf of the police officers allowing them to get a lawyer if they are facing charges like a normal citizen would be able to and it's their job to report the facts of the alleged crime, they have a job that requires them to make a statement, but on the other side an ordinary citizen can remain silent. you have to find a way to balance the rights when a police officer becomes a suspect. i am not surprised by the maryland rules. it's similar in other cities. >> there's a really important pursing of words going on and was it legal to pull over freddy gray to arrest him in the first place? there is probable cause and reasonable suspicion. you heard the attorney for the officers bring up a very supreme court ruling saying they were
justified given this ruling? >> the supreme court handed down a number of decisions in this area and the most important one was the illinois versus worlow case and if somebody runs away from you and you are a police officer, that doesn't give you a reason to arrest somebody but if he is reaching for his belt in a way that might indicate he is reaching for a weapon, and they can stop and frisk and detain, and police are saying he was not only running but in a high crime neighborhood that gave them the second praurpbgong of the test allowing them to make the stop. >> police said our position is something happened in that van. we just don't know what. it's a very vague statement. it's hard to read. what are they saying? who did what wrong. were you surprised they came out
with a statement like that? >> yeah i am surprised because when you look at him being detained and apprehended and being put into the van in the video, he looks incapacitated and hurt and you wonder why didn't they leave him on the ground and call an ambulance, and once he is put in the back of the van and the van is on the way to the station, something happens to his spine. the police are responsible for his welfare once he is in custody, and it's criminal negligence. i am not sure the traveling of the van is going to get them off the hook here. >> thank you very much and i appreciate it. still to come here in the "newsroom," a plane forced to make an emergency landing. three passengers passing out, and now we are getting new information this morning about what happened on board.
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♪ ♪ we have new information on the scary emergency landing yesterday in buffalo, new york. the pilot of a skywest flight from chicago headed to connecticut had to land in new york state yesterday after three people on the flight lost consciousness. the jet dissented 28,000 feet in just three minutes. that's incredibly fast for a descent. people on the flight said it felt like a roller coaster. and it would be one thing if it was one passenger that think maybe it was a medical issue, and three passengers and sounds like they are not sure why.
>> it originally was one passenger, skywest airline said and this was a express flight from chicago bound for connecticut, and skywest airlines confirmed with us three passengers reported to lose consciousness on that plane, but there was no indication of a pressurization problem. poppy, they took us through, skywest confirms the pilots believed there was a freshen problem initially, and followed the proper steps. >> it takes about 20 minutes to descend. >> we don't know why the crew believed there was a pressurization problem. there was no indication at all, and when the plane landed it showed there was not. but we want to take you into what that plane and what those passengers felt.
listen to some of what they went through. >> we had a few people that were passing out. the rapidness of the drop of the airplane coming down very quickly, rattling and shaking. like a steep roller coaster coming down very quickly. >> it's just so scary. there are more questions than answers. the faa is investigating. we need to know why there was a pressurization problem, and was it because people started passing out? and the ultimate question was, why were people passing out? >> did more people pass out because they had such a fast descent? we will talk about a big story happening at a court in north carolina. general petraeus getting his day in court. why his expected plea deal has critics calling foul. pamela following this story. >> we are going to tell you
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grace began with his affair with broadwell who was writing a back on petraeus and he gave broadwell eight black books with covert information, and other national defense information. today, poppy, the government is expected to ask for two years of probation, and a $40,000 fine to put this in perspective, no jail time allowed under the plea deal struck. the maximum for a misdemeanor charged is a year in prison and a $100,000 fine. the deal he has is different from what he could be facing. >> absolutely one of the lawyers representing somebody else who is a government leaker in jail now wrote to the justice department saying this shows a profound double standard. we will wait for the sentencing today and i am sure there will be a lot of discussion about it afterwards. appreciate it. also just in new, a black
eye for the secret service. this time it's for failing to replace a security. >> there was a report put out on this on what they discovered. it started back in 2010 and one of the secret service's own security experts kind of flagged a problem saying at former president bush sr.'s home in houston, the system needs to be replaced replaced and the request was denied and then it breaks completely and they did put an officer in a roving post around the home, but the seek rhett
service could not tell how long it has been broken. they did finally buy a new alarm system once it came to light in 2014 and then it took a year to install that new alarm system. one of the secret service officials that was interviewed by the inspector general, even if there was an interim measure of putting the officer roving around for security he did not think that would be adequate security. he said secret service officials explained more serious security equipment problems exist at former president x's residents, and part of this redacted for security reasons, and then the director agreed these are problems and they put in place a system to track and monitor security problems that are out there and deal with them as well as evaluate the current state of security at former presidents' homes. you can say this problem started in 2010, and it's about time
that there was even a process in place to look at problems like these, poppy. >> and we're just finding out about it now. it's a little too long. ma zell kaczynski, thank you very much. protesters demanding answers. why did a man die while in police custody? questions about the use of police force, we will taking a look at the history behind that next.
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in baltimore the death of a man in police custody fueled protest in the streets and concerns at city hall but accusations of police brutality are painfully familiar with some blaming the police culture eroding the public trust and costing millions and millions in lawsuits. >> it has been dubbed originally without irony, charm city. baltimore, maryland long held a representation for being one of the most dangerous cities to police in the nation with the history of brutality on both sides of the badge. it's a representation that freddy gray's death is brought to light once again, gray was young, african-american, and had
a slew of previous drug-related arrests and spent time in housing projects and he represents one of the most watched populations, watched by police patrol and baltimore served as the go-to example of urban tension in shows like "the wire" pfp or homicide life on the streets, shows based on neighborhoods dotted with death. this map compiled by the "baltimore sun" shows 211 homicides, and so far they have shown 63. more than 350 homicides in 1993 alone. at the time police recruitment videos used the slogan and you thought your job was tough. it's a dangerous job that is
difficult to do without criticism. today the baltimore police department is working hard to improve its relations with those whom it serves posting photos of out reach photos and successful busts on twitter. >> i think baltimore had a very challenging history when it comes to the black community and police department. we have done a lot of work and made a lot of progress. >> but for many in the city these efforts do little in the wake of videos showing police officer brutality. >> freddy is not the only one they beat up in these last two weeks. >> the city had paid more than $5.7 million in judgments and settlements for alleged police misconduct in 2007 and this is allegedly for slamming a pregnant woman to the ground,
and killing an unarmed marine vet. >> i have heard the distrust and it's clear there is still work to be done. >> baltimore police called for the government investigation, and now the department of justice will investigate the force once again. >> we need more tools to hold officers accused of wrong doing accountable, and in a city as hard to police as this one, the biggest challenge may be a department trying to police itself. >> and joining me now from baltimore, monique dickson. thank you for being with me. i appreciate it. >> good morning. >> looking at the history, right, the history of the baltimore police department, and we should knownotice the positive changes they are trying to make
but do you think still there is a culture problem? >> yes, there is a cultural problem. in the past three years five black men have died after being in the custody of baltimore police officers. last year 19-year-old george king died after he was struck multiple times with a taser by baltimore police and earlier this year 30-year-old trayvon scott died after he had trouble breathing while in a holding cell here in baltimore city, and now this week we are dealing with the death of freddy gray who sustained spinal cord injuries during an arrest. in addition to that the police department's website, since july of last year there have been 40 incidents of police use of force in the city and so there is certainly a use of force problem here, and against that back
drop we can understand why we are seeing the mass protests and demonstrations going on around the city in which residents and family members of people who have died in police custody are asking for a transparent investigation, accountability and police reform. >> monique, i want to also get your response to this because your organization has called for several changes in baltimore in the wake of the cases that you just mentioned. one of the things you are asking for is for police officers to use body cameras to collect and to disseminate that information to family members, to the public in a timely manner. are you getting any traction on that front? >> well our call for police body worn cameras is a national call. we realize that having -- well it's clear from the lack of
information that we have about freddy gray's case that there is a need for body worn cameras to document interactions between police and civilians. but we also realize that those body worn camera programs have to come with some limitations, and we believe we have called for federal agencies and for federal legislation that would require any police department that received funding for body worn cameras to have certain protocols, and protocols that would protect the privacy of the victims and the use of force, and the stop and question and frisk data as well as protocols are requiring officers to undergo use of force training and de-escalation training tactics, but that training
should be monitored and enforced and when officers do not comply with training and other policies that they are disciplined appropriately. >> monique dixon joining us, thank you for coming on the program. thanks monique. this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news into here at cnn, president obama will speak at the top of the hour 10:00 eastern, and he is going to speak about a counterterrorism operation in which there were deaths. let's bring in jim from washington. >> this is truly remarkable news and sad news. the president going to announce and the white house now confirmed this in a u.s. strike inside afghanistan, pakistan earlier this year, dr. warren winestein, he was inadvertently
killed in that air strike and in that same strike an italian hostage killed as well and the white house saying they did not know the american and the italian were present when this strike took place, but they were unfortunately killed in that strike. in addition to those hostages the american and the italian, in that strike an al qaeda leader was killed and an american who has been a spokes man for al qaeda, a messenger, he was killed in a separate strike in january. tkpwau dawn really a remarkable story. he was from california jewish and christian background and converted to islam and became a messenger, and he was killed in
a second air strike. really the headline here in addition to his death, inadvertently by accident an american air strike killed an american hostage as well as an italian hostage. the white house saying this was classified information but that the president decided to declassify it and share that information with the american public today. >> jim, this is what our intelligence, our armed forces and the president in making a decision to authorizizee a struck strike runs into every time, how do you walk that line? do we have any information on how the decision was made? >> the white house is saying the operation targeted an al qaeda-associated compound where the white house says they had no reason to believe either hostage was present located in the region of pakistan which is
where we know that al qaeda and leaders have been holed up and that is where bin laden was killed in that s.e.a.l. team 6 targeted. often there is partial intelligence, and this is a risk, but really an outlier of a risk poppy, the idea that these hostages would be held there would be no way for them to know and let's look at it in context as well we know last year americans that were held in syria by isis james foley among them there were attempted rescues of those hostages that failed and we know foley and other americans were killed, beheaded in videos by isis so it shows the difficulty it's hard to rescue americans and
foreigners hostages held by terror groups, and this is the sad result of one of these strikes here. >> our heart goes out to the families as well as they have learned the news and now we are all learning it publicly. jim will join us again at the top of the hour 10:00 eastern, when we do expect president obama to speak. i want to go to white house correspondent, michelle kaczynski. what do we know? >> reporter: they describe it as tremendous sorrow. three americans killed one of them a hostage of al qaeda since 2011. two of them americans working with al qaeda, and in the past other counterterrorism operations or attempts to rescue hostages the white house will sometimes explain the timeframe, what some might try to criticize as a delay in conducting the operation, and the white house will go out of its way to say we waited until it was absolutely certain this was safe for
everybody involved, but in this case they are saying they had no reason to believe either hostage was present located in the border region of afghanistan and pakistan. no words can fully express our regret over this tragedy. we are expecting a statement in the briefing room around 10:00 this morning, but they describe some of the president's sense on this within the lengthy statement the white house just put out. i will read a paragraph from that now. the president directed the information being shared today which was importantly classified until now be declassified and shared with the american people. he takes full responsibility for the operations and believes it's important to provide the american people with as much information as possible about the counterterrorism operations particularly when they take the lives of fellow citizens. the uniquely tragic nature of the operation that resulted in the deaths of two innocent hostages is something we will do our utmost to insure will not be
repeated and it was lawful and conducted with the counterterrorism policies we are conducting a thorough independent review to fully understand what happened and how we can prevent this type of incident to happen in the future. we expect the president to give more information on that and any detail the white house has declassified and can share publicly, and we will see if he will take questions on this as well. bob joins me on the phone. give us a sense of how common it is or unprecedented it is for the white house to release this information at this point in time? >> i think the white house wanted to hold off as long as they could to confirm that in fact these tragic deaths occurred as a mistake. once they did, they had to go public since there was a american citizen involved so
they really had no choice. i think what this story tells us more than anything is the drone strikes are very messy, and the intelligence is never perfect. so many are signature strikes. we look at a target and it looks like it's al qaeda and they fire a missile at it and this is a -- a tragedy like this was inevitable almost. >> bob, to you, you say they are very messy, which, yes, we have seen that. at the same point in time the president, as commander in chief has to have a certain amount of information and a certain amount of certainty before he gives the authorization for a strike like this. can you take us behind what it is like in terms of the intelligence gathering to prepb the case to the president where he does feel certain enough to give the green light? >> well they will take a look at a compound and with almost 100% certainty they will decide if al qaeda is at that compound and they have been able to
follow the people coming and going and their phones and cars and they will collect intelligence for months and months and they will go to the president and say this is an al qaeda compound but the problem is they can't see inside. these drones can only watch what is on the outside, and if they move the hostages in the middle of the night or rler there is no way for the cia or military to know that. these drones have always been risky, and they have known it and on the other hand they have broken the back of al qaeda, but, you know you can't prevent tragedies like this. >> bob, thank you. stand by as well. peter bergen joins us on the phone as well. in this paragraph from the statement from the white house, they say they had, quote, no reason to believe either hostage was present.
clear. clearly these hostages would have been not going outside. they would have been kept inside. so you know they wouldn't have aerial surveillance to see a hostage was being held. >> i want jim to join us to talk about it again. jim, what's your take on that? they said in this release they had no reason to believe the hostages were present there when they carried on the this strike. why would they believe that? >> the fact is they clearly didn't know where the hostages were. they have been trying to find them. we've seen the difficulty of doing that. it is hard to find hostages hard to find individual al qaeda leaders. it took more than a decade nearly a decade to find osama
bin laden. it took months to find americans held by isis in syria, james foley. it turns out they got to the right place but it was too late. it's both location and time. those things are extremely difficult to do with certainty. they had intelligence this was an al qaeda compound but they had not know you had an american italian hostage there. this is the intense difficulty of doing this and we've seen risks taken by this administration. some of those risks worked out. you'll remember bin laden raid famously the president was told there was 50% certainty that bin laden was there. they went in they found him, they killed him. they had operations that attempted to rescue james foley and other americans held by isis they didn't get there in time. they didn't have the right information there but took a risk. in the course of an operation an
international hostage killed caught up in crossfire. these are extremely risky operations hard to get right. this is one, just the worst in collateral damage the totally soulless term used in strikes like this. this is a worst case scenario here. the president felt the need to get it out to the public. it will be interesting to see the top of the other. >> some people critical of the drone program because of things like this. do you believe this will call the drone called into question and raise more questions about it? >> it's going to raise questions. the principle objection has been civilian casualties on the ground. you hear that from pakistani, afghan somalis, yemen as well. that has led to huge anti-americanism particularly in pakistan when i travel there. here you have civilian
casualties on the ground one an american and italian, close ally. then you have two other americans killed from the sky, no question not a good guy but killed in airstrike. ahmed farouk killed in the same operation, says the white house, that killed dr. weinstein and the italian, killed from the sky, far fewer objections to that. this is all part of that drone debate. can a president make a decision to kill an american from the sky without due process. one, you have the downside of civilian casualties which they minimize but can't eliminate. now this other risk that hasn't been thought about, you strike a compound and accidentally kill an american hostage. as i mentioned a few moments ago. this is not the first time this happened. you had the rescue operation a
few months ago in somalia, i believe, i'll double-check this where a hostage, south african hostage killed in the crossfire. it's the risk you take with these operations. it's another thing to throw into that bin, are they worth it? are the drone strikes worth it? >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. headline american hostage held by al qaeda since 2011 dr. warren weinstein unintentionally killed in a drone strike targeting al qaeda, also an italian citizen held since 2012 also killed. the president will address it at 10:00 eastern. we'll bring thank you live after a quick break on the other side. people ship all kinds of things. but what if that thing
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we are expecting president obama to speak at 10:00 a.m. eastern to talk about what is just a horrific tragedy, the white house describing it as a terrible tragedy, an american citizen and italian citizen accidentally killed in a drone strike in january on the afghanistan-pakistan border that killed some al qaeda operatives but also inadvertently killed an american dr. warren weinstein and italian giovanni lo porto. he was held since 2012. dr. weinstein held since 2011. let's go straight to michelle
from the white house. what else can we expect to her from the president at the white house. >> there's a lot of information in the statement the white house just released. these are three americans killed in two separate counter-terrorism operations. one hostage, warren weinstein. also two other americans including adam gadahn a notorious american member you could say spokesperson for al qaeda. so we expect the president to explain what happened as well as justify what happened at least to some extent. you look at the tone of the staple. they started out, in fact with tremendous sorrow. no words can fully express our regret over this terrible tragedy. the president takes full responsibility for these operations. that said they also within the statement say that the counter-terrorism operation was lawful and conducted consistent with our counter-terrorism policies. those are some of the things we expect the president to say. keep in mind these operations happen back in january.
they were classified up until now, but the white house explains the president thought it was right and necessary to declassify this information. first of all, the american public knows and also they can try to assess what happened and for the white house to make sure that this does not happen again. ening it's interesting when you read the details, a limited amount of detail that's in this statement, there was clearly the intel there to conduct these operations to at least have a reasonable certainty that the targets of the operations were there but the intel was not there to indicate that two hostages were present, one of them american. as it says in this statement, we had no reason to believe either hostage was present. poppy. >> let me bring in jim sciutto. jim, the bigger context of this is the drone program. critics have cried out saying too many civilians died as a result. now you have an american hostage dying as a result. a, h